"To everything there's a reason and a season"... Isn't that how a really nice song goes?
Big deal! Can you just not agonize over this?! The new songs and rhythms are very nice thus far.
Try and highlight the positive in things. All things.
DY
it's very interesting comparing things that are removed.
for one, new world order and new world, new order, all being eliminated from everything.
just research nwo, "new world order", etc, to see.
"To everything there's a reason and a season"... Isn't that how a really nice song goes?
Big deal! Can you just not agonize over this?! The new songs and rhythms are very nice thus far.
Try and highlight the positive in things. All things.
DY
new songbook - removing all the old teachings and anything saying new world or new order.
no more bookstudies - (so no small indepedent comments, only brief congregationwide so not much discussion).
bible reading talk can 'read' only, no introduction or conclusion - again not allowing any input or thought.
I've really enjoyed all these changes! The Organization is also leaving a whole bunch of decisions up to the individual's conscience. It's great!
I see it as evolving into a more democratic religious system more and more. Wonderful! I feel much more comfortable in it these days, than ever before.
DY
i totally appreciate the posters who have a ton of bible knowledge and love research, but me being a witness for a few decades find myself not really interested in many of the discussions here and at the meeting.
the current "grace/undeserved kindness" post by sir82 is a prime example.. first off i do know that my personality is to be sceptical about most things, and i usually focus on things that i can see or are more simple, especially if it is a topic i am less interested in.. but am i bad because i don't really care if jesus died on a cross of stake?
or i am not interested in trying to figure out when (and if ) jehovah is going to take care of wicked people or resurrect dead people........ i kind of figure we will find out when it happens.. sometimes if feel stupid about bible things, but i take pride in trying to live by the basic bible principles and laws (about stealing, adultery, bad language, etc), although i do have a good deal of general knowledge about the bible, i could care less about breaking down the different "loves" in the hebrew language or greek language, or whatever..... i guess i have a similar knowledge of the scriptures as the "christians" before the wts "helped us figure it out" starting around 1900. .
No, you're not bad. I also like to just stick to the basic Bible principles of 'being good and doing good'; all the other 'deep' stuff, I couldn't care less about it.
DY
at my place of business which i own, i have discovered that the local jw's have taken to dropping in magazines, brocheres etc.
the staff accept them just to be polite but arn't interested.
but you know the deluded jw's... my business has quickly turned into someones magazine route!.
Just say the word and it'll go away. I used to drop off literature at some places of business where the public would frequent, and once was asked by the attendant not to do it any longer, and that was it. No more.
Just say the word. These days the Organization is not so much into shoving down the throat if people present an objection. Very relaxed these last days. I really enjoy it that way.
DY
hi all, i left the wts in the late `80s, i`ve not really given them a thought, until one sleepless night recently i was trawling the `tinterweb, and came across various videos on youtube.
anyway`s, the reasons i left were many and varied, and one day i`ll sit down and relate them, but two things have always stuck in my mind, once i was asked "if someone could convince you that without a doubt "the truth" was wrong, would you believe them?
", to which i answered "of course i would", - that was me marked.
As an Organization, yes, they discourage any donations other than to themselves. However, at a personal level, there are many JWs that do donate to different charities. So, it's not fair at all to generalize. I contribute whenever asked to cancer-related charities.
DY
i left off on my first posts on this topic with this sentence: one of the big discoveries and the genesis of my semi-apostate ways came one day when i decided to look up some of the books cited in the reasoning from the scriptures book (almost 99% of the works cited by the society were available at the universitys library).
the research that was meant to solidify my faith in the jw religion, actually made the first crack on the foundation of my faith.. .
cont..... .
I sincerely hope you'll do well in your post-JW life. May you find spiritual fulfillment elsewhere. Sincerely.
DY
imagine being a teenage superstar....and a jehovah's witness???
poor guy must have suffered a worst mind f#ck then any of us.
teenage girls worshiped him, but i doubt he ever had one.
That's one of the most ridiculous statements ever posted. In fact, if he would've followed the JW lifestyle, he would've been very much alive and well. Wouldn't have had to endure the horrible drug-infested lifestyle he carved for himself. For somebody with so much fame and money, he lived absolutely horribly!!!
MJ sure fulfilled the Biblical quote that reads: "The love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains." (1 Timothy 6:10)"
What a sad life he lead that poor fellow .
DY
looking back there were quite a few families that did the "oh we're moving" fade.
they would move to a rural area.
or a state or two away.
That's the way I'd do it. Just move away. I can only dream of it for now.
DY
just saw the newsflash on cnn (10:30 est wed 30 dec 2009).
seems he had serious chest pains while playing golf in hawaii and was rushed to the hospital.
not sure where the "serious condition" part came from but that's what was reported.. even those of us who disagree with most of what he says wish him no harm and a speedy recovery.. however, when you are that full of shit, it takes a toll on your body.. rub a dub.
His hate-filled heart has had enough! Perhaps this little warning will help him change, and mellow out a bit.
DY
long-time occasional lurker, first-time poster.
cliffs notes version: i'm thinking of da'ing in order to shake my family up a bit, even though i haven't been involved with jws in more than 10 years.
longer version: i was raised as a jw but never got baptized.
Congratulations on your successful fade.
Now, please, do yourself a huge favor and move along positively with your life. Don't marinate on the JW thing another minute.
Perhaps you shouldn't even lurk in here; this place is crawling with folk that have nothing better to do than ponder the whole JW thing instead of moving on and creating a good life for themselves.
Be happy with life and yourself.
DY